.info LR2 registrars

Originally posted by mole
Yes. In my line, I read a lot of material about what pisses people off. The evidence is overwhelming

And if you pay me a fee, I will provide that evidence.

this kind of argument is nonsense, your basis for arguing that type ins are falling is that you have read "material about what pisses people off"??

would some valid statistics be more appropriate to justify your position?

 

Originally posted by fyi
Sorry, I cant point you to corporates but I can tell you i am an end user and am very excited.

In fairness, you are also involved in the domain community on a regular basis - so that doesn't make you an "average" sample.

Im using .info .biz and .us already and have not had any negative comments yet from the 'corporates' that buy from us and ultimately pay for some of our company's renewals. I usually prefer not looking like a big business corporate dot com.

They won't complain, but the chances are they have not thought "great name, must be doing better than we thought" either. I've dealt with a lot of small/medium sized companies over the years and one thing was uniform - they always wanted to appear to be as professional and in most cases "bigger and better" than they were. The most successful small companies I dealt with took that to the extreme. So, again, I'd argue that you're not representative.

One tld does not work for everyone for everything.

Thats where we disagree. .com is used by all kind of companies for all kinds of sites, works well in what it does and is burnt in the mind of every single internet user without exception. So that one tld does work for everyone and everything. If you mean there are alternatives that are more meaningful then thats a seperate argument, but the "if it isn't broke why fix it?" argument applies here.

With any luck, the majority of .info/.biz and .us will end up in the hands of the 'non corporates' I don't think the extensions need corporate americas approval to be successful.

That is true right now - they are in the hands of speculators it seems.

 

[Tee]

Definitely, Movies.info. The others dont make much sense.

You know, I've been rethinking my .info/new tlds arguing strategy. Because the more people you convince or show the obviousness to of the relevant .info argument or .biz applications or strong .us appeal and how these long and goofy .com names dont work, and the often ignored negative connotation .com has acquired, the more competition we have!

Hell, I think I will take a oh yeah - .info and the new tlds - not a chance in hell - no sir. .Com is all that matters now and forever! I see no big sales of info so of course this is the way it will remain. And even if I'm wrong (as a speculator no less!) I can always just get a good info name later. Oh sure.

I don't want to be no bottom feeder and the more we argue the relevance and importance of these new extensions, the more we increase our chances of becoming a typical .com post "true speculator".

Thats not for me.

Oh yeah, .Com forever. (lol)!!

 

[mole]

Originally posted by safesys
Thats a very lame argument.

You're saying type in traffic is on the decline - thats not the experience of the people I know with huge type in traffic.

Yes, if you own tits.net

You've said se's are the way forward yet market research has shown se use is actually shrinking.

What market researcher are you using? Our company pays tons to research companies and internet specialists and indications are search engine usage is the primary and growing form of first user experience. Subsequent usage may be type-ins, but then you are talking about "casual" type-ins.

Without backing up those kind of statements that fly in the face of whats actually occurring and hiding behind a "pay me to do prove it" response it all becomes meaningless hyperbole.

No, just like we argued with SV, sure we can provide evidence, but I'm not paid to convince you by compiling hard statistics and hard facts and post it on this forum. I could, but then, what do I gain from this? I do this for clients, I don't do this just to humiliate people on internet boards.

 

Personally, I wouldn't be humiliated, just surprised.

I would have thought you would welcome the opportunity to support posts you have made with evidence so that we have something tangible to discuss rather than assumption.

 

[beatz]

I don't get the LRII mania..not at all.
I mean, as i mentioned before i was lucky to register a whole bunch of generic .biz names just a day ago - just as the ultimate test if any other extension than .com/.net really works.But believe me, i would not have BID on them at any kind of registrar auction.To be honest,i don't think any new extension is worth to bid on it; if you're lucky enough to register a generic one of them by yourself,then fine,maybe you'll find an enduser buyer.But i don't even expect that to happen,really.Just don't bid for registration.
Not worth the hassle.

 

[Tee]

It would be cool mole if you could provide some information regarding this mole. I'm getting typeins on many of my info names and I'm wondering myself if .com typeinnage is plunging especially since the browsers no longer default to .com and havent for a while unless of course you hit some keys on a keyboard. I have no proof to offer regarding this, however I am curiuos if my suspicions can be confirmed with any serious stats or proof of some kind.

Regardless, at least for me, info is hot as hell given the ll2 interest and offers I get everyday. Never thought I would be sending them away at such velocity!

Anyway, any .info you could provide mole would be interesting.

 

[Tee]

I dont like auction queues either. Theres all kinds of games that can played with them. Thats definitely, for the most part, not for me.

 

[mole]

There is a lot of interest being generated by people looking for good .info names tee, thus your type-ins.

We use NetValue to measure usage patterns of the internet for the country I am in, and yes, search engine hits are increasing as compared to a year ago, from about 30% to around 45% 12 months later.

On a qualitative focus group basis that we conducted for HP sometime last year to dig consumer insights, yes people do recall and type-in URLs that they see advertised on other traditional media channels like outdoor and TV. But these are through-the-line push strategies.

The casual type-ins is a myth and joke.

 

"The casual type-ins is a myth and joke."

It's a "joke" that generates millions of dollars of revenues per month for domain holders.

Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

 

[beatz]

No doubt about .com typein being a fact,NOT a myth.Geez,it's even one of the most relevant factors when it comes to revenue.

 

[mole]

Originally posted by safesys

I would have thought you would welcome the opportunity to support posts you have made with evidence so that we have something tangible to discuss rather than assumption.

Yes I are assuming the future and you know that is all we can do. I are not analysing dotcom and what it means today. You can see the value coming down for yourself, so nothing much to debate there.

Had anyone of us had the vision in 1995 with dotcom, we would have been pretty well placed today. Was there evidence that you could chew on then? No. You missed it because you needed evidence to act. I missed it because I needed the evidence to act.

Hasn't the world thought any of us anything? Why do we chose to be comfortable frogs in wells contend with the fungused walls and the putrid smell it breeds?

 

Mole, in the spirit of backing up argument, heres an article re search engine usage:

http://news.com.com/2100-1023-837035.html

Johnston said that in the early days when people surfed on the Internet, they "were just bouncing all over this thing like a giant garage sale or like a flea market." But as a result of the advances in technology, particularly browsers, people are going directly to sites by typing in the Web address or a bookmark faster.

 

[Tee]

I still think we are at least 1-2 years away until .info hits typein recognition critical mass - probably two years. Then I think you will see obvious profound affects.

However, to be fair, .com is right now very, very strong.

As an example, mta.info is typed in 4385 (overture)

And mta.com is 8582. So they are assuming .com.

But, had info not existed, would mta.com have more typeins? One could say they are coming from the info ads which is probably somewhat true. However, as the extensions become more well known, and in infos case, poor mta cant be expected to do all the work, you will see the numbers reverse I suspect.

The thing with info is that it is very amateur webmaster friendly. People want to offer information on a subject that holds there interest. I suspect it will be genuinely used along with the speculation. Similar to .com but for different reasons. .Com was pretty much all their was and .info is relevant. So I think the combination of use and speculation is good news.



However, the mta example shows that .com is still the very typein king of kings. But I wonder what it will be like in a year or two as info and other extensions become a part of our conciousness.

In any case, imo, it will be interesting to be a part of this process regardless of where you stand I imagine.

 

[mole]

Originally posted by safesys
"The casual type-ins is a myth and joke."

It's a "joke" that generates millions of dollars of revenues per month for domain holders.

Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Of course I see it and it is not about the domains and not about dotcom. It's about providing a service of benefit to people and its about manipulating the traffic flow. It could have been a .tv for all its worth, traffic manipulators pop, stop, shift and deceive internet users in very skilled ways, despite whatever name they have. That is what really creates the millions in revenue, not the dotcom extension.

 

With .com there was no *existing* namespace for it to compete with. The gamble was not on .com but on the internet actually becoming useful to the masses.

There won't be a repeat of the .com value boom in any new tld because there can never be a repeat of the variables that led to it.

 

[Tee]

Actually, I misspoke. What mta.com searches show is that it is being searched for more - not typein more. Sorry.

Still, the searches show the assumption of .com.

 

[mole]

Originally posted by safesys
Mole, in the spirit of backing up argument, heres an article re search engine usage:

http://news.com.com/2100-1023-837035.html

Exactly, and thanks for the article. It just killed your theory about casual type-ins

"More common now is that people know where they want to go, and they go there."

Yes, research indicates that experienced surfers are going to fewer sites, in general. They use type-ins because they know exactly what's on the other side. Casual type-ins is a myth, propagated by speculators who use such research you referenced and twist it out of context.

 

Originally posted by mole


Of course I see it and it is not about the domains and not about dotcom. It's about providing a service of benefit to people and its about manipulating the traffic flow. It could have been a .tv for all its worth, traffic manipulators pop, stop, shift and deceive internet users in very skilled ways, despite whatever name they have. That is what really creates the millions in revenue, not the dotcom extension.

You've just said that type ins are a myth and now you're saying they do happen but its all manipulation.

The cracks in your argument are showing.

 

Originally posted by mole
"More common now is that people know where they want to go, and they go there.

That is not mutually exclusive with people typing the thing they require with .com on the end in the address bar.

Casual type-ins is a myth, propagated by speculators who use such research you referenced and twist it out of context.

When speculators talk about type ins they are usually referencing their own experience rather than what they have read or assume.