Is Andrew Miller of 3character.com a member of DNF?

[VirtualT]

I agree with you but the fact remains that in the wholesale (DNF) market "premium letter" domains tend to attract a higher value, probably because the majority of the domainers are from countries that these are the more common letters.

I don't even see why this is an issue.

 

[italiandragon]

I agree with you but the fact remains that in the wholesale (DNF) market "premium letter" domains tend to attract a higher value, probably because the majority of the domainers are from countries that these are the more common letters.

I don't even see why this is an issue.

Don`t call them "Premium" then, but "most used" and yes there is an issue when people go around with incorrect datas.

U and W are not less used than many other so called "premium" letters.

 

[Rockefeller]

Its the same thing with Estibot.com...people using the site to appraise domain names and try to sell them for that price...if you're a domainer you should already know what a domain name is worth before you buy or sell it.

 

[Thomas Nash]

I think you'll find short domains with U's and W's go for not far away from all premium letter pricings, all depends on acronyms and possible end-users etc..

I don't see much difference between calling them 'most-used' and 'premium', it's just what people have gotten used to.

 

[italiandragon]

I think you'll find short domains with U's and W's go for not far away from all premium letter pricings, all depends on acronyms and possible end-users etc..

I don't see much difference between calling them 'most-used' and 'premium', it's just what people have gotten used to.

Well, again I feel like I`m one open minded person of the WORLD against a WALL of blind ENGLISH speakers who do not realise that there are TONS of other languages in the World and their users are coming on the internet more and more each day.

We just crossed 21 % worldwide penetration last March.

It`s no longer the year 2002 , things change and will change a lot.

 

[StianStian is verified member.]

Its the same thing with Estibot.com...people using the site to appraise domain names and try to sell them for that price...if you're a domainer you should already know what a domain name is worth before you buy or sell it.

Co-sign.

 

[DomainsInc]

Well, again I feel like I`m one open minded person of the WORLD against a WALL of blind ENGLISH speakers who do not realise that there are TONS of other languages in the World and their users are coming on the internet more and more each day.

We just crossed 21 % worldwide penetration last March.

It`s no longer the year 2002 , things change and will change a lot.

You call it open minded, others call it speculation. Which domain would have more possible end users? ect.com or zvx.com? The answer is obvious and though it only takes one end user to make a great sale the odds are much better on ect than zvx until foreign languages dominate the internet world, which won't happen any time soon, in my opinion.

 

[zesty]

Hello ItalianDragon and all,

On the reseller/wholesale market, premium letters are premium as compared to other lesser or lower quality letters. As I understand it, your arguments revolve around end-user sales, letter usage in languages other than English, and a desire to make all letters of equal value (or other than what sales data points to).

The problem is, the reseller market at our present time has defined that some letters as being FAR more valuable than others.

To make the point, let's look at the two extremes:

Any LLL.com combo made up of any combo of only these letters:

A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T

is going to bring strong money on the reseller market. You probably won't even find too many of these even in the upper $1X,XXX range.

This said, an LLL.com combo made up of a combo of only these letters:

Q, X, Y, Z

is usually commonly commanding something around the upper-mid $x,xxx range on the reseller market.

The question that answers the reflections regarding letter quality is "Why is this?"

Notice the big difference in value between these two letter types. You are correct Lorenzo, that as emerging markets come into their own, letter types will change in time. I too can imagine a day when the letter types start to blend somewhat.

This said, the designations of Premium (A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T), Lesser High Quality (J, K, U, V, W) and Lower Quality (Q, X, Y, Z) are direct reflections of broad reseller marketplace sales. Real sales data over and over (with a few granted exceptions) points to this current reality.

LLL.com's that are words or special acronyms will be exceptions to this and letter quality will not apply (ref: sex.com, zoo.com).

Finally, in an op-ed moment, this topic seems to me to be drawing way too much attention. Letter quality is an important part of the puzzle, but not the only one. I wonder why some are so preoccupied with making certain letters premium or downgrading others. My info is based on sales data analysis. I wonder if perhaps others might have other motivations and then develop supporting rationale?

I also feel like this is often like talking politics. Few minds are changed and some will go the distance to push their influence.

Well, nuff said and end of op-ed.

Thanks,
zesty

 

[italiandragon]

You call it open minded, others call it speculation. Which domain would have more possible end users? ect.com or zvx.com? The answer is obvious and though it only takes one end user to make a great sale the odds are much better on ect than zvx until foreign languages dominate the internet world, which won't happen any time soon, in my opinion.

HI, I understand your point of view, but allow me to tell you that from my experience in the financial markets, speculation is something that plays in advance.......do you know the motto "buy on rumors and sell on the news" ?

So, I suppose, smart investors will understand that soon the emerging countries will be more important.

Today yes, it`s still an English market. Spanish is growing quickly, German and Ducth are strong but their numbers are not big enough so they will never be at the top. But the "cake" will keep splitting in many parts in the future as more different cultures and languages will gain a part of this world.

 

[JohnnJohnn is verified member.]

Gentlemen.

The domain market is a funny one because no on can estimate the price of a particular domain. There is nothing you can compare since there is only one name!!!

The price is established when there is an agreement between the buyer/seller.

John

 

[italiandragon]

Hello ItalianDragon and all,

On the reseller/wholesale market, premium letters are premium as compared to other lesser or lower quality letters. As I understand it, your arguments revolve around end-user sales, letter usage in languages other than English, and a desire to make all letters of equal value (or other than what sales data points to).
The problem is, the reseller market at our present time has defined that some letters as being FAR more valuable than others.

To make the point, let's look at the two extremes:

Any LLL.com combo made up of any combo of only these letters:

A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T

is going to bring strong money on the reseller market. You probably won't even find too many of these even in the upper $1X,XXX range.

This said, an LLL.com combo made up of a combo of only these letters:

Q, X, Y, Z

is usually commonly commanding something around the upper-mid $x,xxx range on the reseller market.

The question that answers the reflections regarding letter quality is "Why is this?"

Notice the big difference in value between these two letter types. You are correct Lorenzo, that as emerging markets come into their own, letter types will change in time. I too can imagine a day when the letter types start to blend somewhat.

This said, the designations of Premium (A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T), Lesser High Quality (J, K, U, V, W) and Lower Quality (Q, X, Y, Z) are direct reflections of broad reseller marketplace sales. Real sales data over and over (with a few granted exceptions) points to this current reality.

LLL.com's that are words or special acronyms will be exceptions to this and letter quality will not apply (ref: sex.com, zoo.com).

Finally, in an op-ed moment, this topic seems to me to be drawing way too much attention. Letter quality is an important part of the puzzle, but not the only one. I wonder why some are so preoccupied with making certain letters premium or downgrading others. My info is based on sales data analysis. I wonder if perhaps others might have other motivations and then develop supporting rationale?

I also feel like this is often like talking politics. Few minds are changed and some will go the distance to push their influence.

Well, nuff said and end of op-ed.

Thanks,
zesty

Hi Zesty, thanks for your reply, but I`M NOT trying to make all letters of equal value. Some people in the other forum have been PMing me telling that maybe it was you afraid to lose value if that would happen.
I have no interest in this since I have mixed portfolio of LLL and LLLL so really whatever it is, it is.
I based my argument on statistics that were not made by me.
You instead kept telling me that your datas (that I have never got to see) showed that some letters sell for less.

Like for example, let`s have at some recent sales:

LMV.com $20,500 2008-05-08 sedo.com
TAZ.com $40,000 2008-04-24 sedo.com
QUD.com $18,500 2008-03-04 sedo.com
AUX.com $30,000 2008-02-27 snapnames
ILU.com $20,000 2008-02-12 sedo.com
NWO.com $32,000 2008-02-10 sedo.com
http://www.sedo.com/auction/auction_history.php?language=us&auction_id=25160&tracked=&partnerid=

UAA.com $68,015 2008-02-01 sedo.com

Any LLL.com combo made up of any combo of only these letters:

A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T

is going to bring strong money on the reseller market. You probably won't even find too many of these even in the upper $1X,XXX range.

REALLY? :?:

HFP.com $12,500 2008-05-19 sedo.com
MNO.com $18,250 2008-04-17 sedo.com
FTN.com $15,100 2008-05-14 namejet.com
PLE.com $18,985 2008-03-02 sedo.com
DDP.com $19,500 2008-02-28 sedo.com
RAH.com $15,000 2008-02-27 snapnames



I don`t know, maybe I live in Australia and here everything is REVERSED?

 

[Reece]

From my experience, I would suggest the categories would be better described as follows:

Strongest Premiums: A, E, S
Premiums: B, C, D, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, T, U, W
Semi-Premiums: J, K, V
Low Quality: Q,X,Y,Z

I have about 10,000 reported sales on 4 letter .coms that will back up these findings and everything I've seen in the 3 letter market supports them as well. Lorenzo is correct -- U+W absolutely do sell as high as ordinary premium letters.

 

[actnow]

My info is based on sales data analysis. I wonder if perhaps others might have other motivations and then develop supporting rationale?

Gee, maybe you need to update you data a little bit better.
So, newbies don't think your quoted price is the gospel.

For newbies, 3character states that a L - L .org is worth $ 40.
One just sold today on namejet for $ 305.

 

[GAMEFINEST]

The site is his point of view

 

[Reece]

Johnn is 100% right imho. I respect Andrew and have been reading his guide since 2005 but using his guide to make investment decisions is a mistake in my opinion and I think it would be best to always get a few opinions from knowledgeable domainers active in that market segment, rather than going with the opinion of someone who (with no offense intended) actively buys and sells in only a limited number of the markets he reports on.

I would never sell a domain based on what's quoted in any guide, however for someone who doesn't follow a particular market or is new to a particular market, I can see this being better than having nothing to base values on and I would imagine Andrew's guide has saved at least a few people from being ripped off in the past.

Andrew has done a good job tracking minimum LLL.com prices over the years, however some of his other "minimum wholesale" values are not reflective of what real buyers are willing to pay and real sellers are willing to sell for.

LLL.mobi in example are not above $100 min wholesale, certainly not the $150 quoted on 3character.com anyway.

Likewise, LLL.biz are certainly not above $30 as a minimum when there are people on this very forum who can't get them sold and are asking prices well under the $45 quoted by 3character.com .

Gentlemen.

The domain market is a funny one because no on can estimate the price of a particular domain. There is nothing you can compare since there is only one name!!!

The price is established when there is an agreement between the buyer/seller.

John