legal ktd.com

[liberator]

so why in your PMs to DNP you claim you're broke and you'll sell it (not broker it) asap?

Exactly what I was thinking

 

[JohnnJohnn is verified member.]

We are not law enforcement so we have no business in filing lawsuit.

However, this is a Business Forum and we want to make sure that there is no illegal activity here.

Wether it was your intention or not (we do not know but you do), you are involved in selling a STOLEN name. So far you have shown no intention or effort to correct your mistake, helping the buyer or doing anything but defend yourself.

- You said Chris contacted you today and cancelled the escrow transaction? He stole the name and dared to contact you and Escrow today?

I think you have used your last chance despite my efforts to help you to explain your story several times.

I don't think I need to ask any more question.

John

 

[Domagon]

Often the simplist explaination is the correct one

But I'll keep an open mind for a moment longer...

Smurf ... WHO ARE YOU!?

From all indications, you have gone out of your way to hide your identity. Or am I mistaken ... anyways, please let post who you are ... if you can't do that, then in my view, it's clear what happened

Ron

 

[wolfis.com]

very simple solution :

this forum tracks the ip address of every member and escrow.com also tracks the ip address .

if both of the ip addresses match you will have proof - if they don't match it is also proof .

 

[maroulis]

very simple solution :

this forum tracks the ip address of every member and escrow.com also tracks the ip address .

if both of the ip addresses match you will have proof - if they don't match it is also proof .

who's going to issue a subpoena to escrow.com to release IP information? You think this information is for public consumption?

 

[wolfis.com]

step away from popcorn for a dnf minute and see post 45 and post 46 - the people at escrow.com ( to whom i talked several times over the past 8 years ) are more than helpful and i am very sure that they will provide the buyers lawyers with the ip address and so will dnf.

 

[TheLegendaryJP]

Wolfis I do not see any indicator they would surrender IP addresses without a subpoena in #44 or #45. It is a given they have it, that goes without saying. Now if either you or someone else gets them without one over the phone I would very much like to know.

 

[maroulis]

step away from popcorn for a dnf minute and see post 45 and post 46 - the people at escrow.com ( to whom i talked several times over the past 8 years ) are more than helpful and i am very sure that they will provide the buyers lawyers with the ip address and so will dnf.

popcorn for a DNF minute, wow you're funny in fact not just funny but frickin hilarious.... a) post 45 & 46 never reference lawyers being involved b) post 46 mentions Escrows.com willingness to co-operate with the police. I assume that this is more than "hey! i've been talking to some guys at escrow for past 8 years and they can give us his IPs just for the hell of it or to prove themselves helpful)...

if you got the "means" to get this info then good for you, but there's a little thing called Data Protection Act that applies in all electronic transaction. Unless a lawyer is involved or a crime record is filed with local authorities I really don't see how this information can be released to anyone...

 

[GT Web]

Contacted by chris he canceled transaction, sitebuyer can verify he will get his money back, and the owner get his domain, also talked to escrow.com, told them the story, everything will be returned money/domain.

thanks to everyone that helped solving this problem.

my side of the story.. is the same, I sold domain for someone, he knew I was involved with domains and making websites. as explained.

he gave me proof he was the owner, i said 'sure' i'll sell it.

big mistake on my part, but im not the only one that got tricked (sitebuyer, kelley) im no different then them, why dont you guys ban sitebuyer, i was lost just like him and kelley, why dont you file suit against kelley for being so dumb and getting his domain taken, im sorry but its not easy taking everyone hating on you in every post when infact im a victim, sorry.

thanks for everyones help though, this could have went a lot worse.

Wow, what a terrible attempt at an explanation.

Maybe I missed this, but did you ever actually tell anyone who your mystery seller actually is?

At the very least you acted in VERY poor judgment. But based on what's been posted I think the whole "brokerage" story is a lie.

You aren't a victim...the only thing you lost is your reputation and that wasn't taken - you just threw it away.

Just because it looks as though the domain and money will be returned doesn't close this case. That's like robbing and bank and then trying to return the money once you've been caught to avoid going to jail.

You should be banned for life.

 

[Theo]

Good news, I just got word that ktd is being returned to the owner and money from scott (sitebuyer) will be returned, and the escrow transaction will be canceled. Thanks for all your help. case closed.

Case closed?

I think you need to step out of Lala-land, son.

The case was just opened.

This is exactly the time when imaginary friend "Chris" better start looking for a place in the countryside to hide because most likely he's not living in Iran. We have a definite case of fraud - federal, no less because it has happened over state lines.

Rest assured, case will be closed after "Chris" - who impersonated the real owner at GoDaddy and used his name - appears at news at 11pm (most likely in Kansas City).

 

[GeorgeKGeorgeK is verified member.]

With domain name crime finally getting the notice of prosecutors:

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/09/fraudster-who-i.html
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=42261

perhaps this matter will be taken seriously by authorities.

 

[Theo]

Under the circumstances, the moderators have been extremely patient thus far.

 

[POLiSH]

no one is getting banned until this mess is unscrewed.

 

[JohnnJohnn is verified member.]

sitebuyer,

Please update us with the status so we know that you get your money back before we take appropriate action.

Thanks,

 

[sitebuyer]

Update:

I'm still in posession of the domain and Escrow.com still has my funds.

I'm currently in contact with both of the purported "original" owners of the domain , both of which are claiming to be the real owner. Talk about screwy. Escrow.com is collecting information to verify correct ownership.

As for seller details, IP addresses, etc, Escrow.com has said they are more than happy to get the authorities involved to pursue the seller. I will push for this also.

An easy way to get this started, is for smurf to pm me his details. Name, address, drivers license or passport number, IP address, etc. I will then pass this information onto Escrow.com. If he's innocent as he claims, he shouldn't have a problem with this, as it won't match any bank info that Escrow.com has on file for this transaction. A good faith testament to his claim for "innocent bystander" status.

So smurf, I'm waiting....

On a sidenote, I saw that smurf had told DNP that he wanted a fast sale because he was broke and needed to make a car payment. He told me he wanted a fast sale because he was going on vacation.

 

[Theo]

Scott, if you need my advice, you're dragging your feet.

The real owner, Kelley Toombs, is definitely numbed by the incident but he's currently receiving legal advice. As it happens, I have received his id as well. Unless you're saying that you have full name, address and phone number & driver's license of another person that claims to be Kelley Toombs.

It's clear that smurf is unwilling to cooperate. So consider this a given. My sources tell me smurf is underage, close to 15 years old. He trades unlicensed scripts and domains with dubious traffic. Scott, you need to focus on two things: getting your cash back and the domain to the owner, as documented by multiple sources.

I volunteered my time and I am eager to be an expert witness on a trial, should you file charges against the perpetrators.

 

[GT Web]

It would be fun to see someone charged with "theft over $5000" (or whatever dollar amount) in a case like this. I think a couple convictions on charges like that would dramatically reduce domain theft.

 

[Theo]

My hunch is that this is a domestic case. We're used to having the notorious Iranian hacker, who finds safe heaven behind the regime's borders.

This person is a noob. They used Escrow, most likely they used their real info. So by all means, this is the chance to be made into an example. Press charges. The FBI only needs $5,000 in a claim to interfere. We have a case of identity theft, wire fraud across state lines - a federal offense.

"Case closed" - loved that part. Oh man, if only I weren't sensitive enough towards your sale, smurf, I would have posted on Thursday "So are you Kelly Toombs?". But I didn't and when I tried to locate the owner, the phone was disconnected and the email bounced. It wasn't until 24 hours later, after contacting GeorgeK, that I had another phone number.

Full force. Like a brick shithouse. Scammers need some bendover time in front of hairy Bubba.

 

[scorpio]

smurf Banned for selling/brokering stolen domain.

He never specified that he was a broker and not real seller till the issue came up.

DNForum Rules
Brokered domain names/websites must be authorized by the legal owner, and must be placed in the Domain Brokerage forum.

thanks john , Acroplex & polish for investigating this .

 

[Theo]

Kudos to GeorgeK for supplying me with a recent telephone number for the legitimate owner. I wasted 24 hours past the initial incident not knowing what else to do, as the owner's info was expired.

Hopefully the issue will be resolved & the money and the property will be returned.

What's also important is to file a legal motion against the perpetrators. I know I would.