Ive had many quality logos designed for $100-$300 but at least Acroplex agrees they are at a $100 quality level, thats at least what he is associating it with. Theres no need for everyone to get their pants in a jam as I was just not interested in any that were presented. They were all "OK", I was just looking for something more. And if I wanted to design it myself in Paint I would, but I dont so I tried this like I always do, and most times get something I like. unfortunately not this time so I will pursue other avenues, thanks for your comments and interest though.