multiple domain forwarding = higher SE rank?

[David G]

frames....simple really but these names have to be live not just names. follow?

NO, we do not follow at all (but thanks for *trying* to help anyway).

When BuyDomains (and others) had 300,000 names all using Masked Forwarding none of them were live sites, they all simply used so called masked forwarding.

P.S. This should not be rocket science, why is it?

 

[chatcher]

ok,
example.com is a site

how can : (simply) yodude.com heyman.com yo.org surething.net wtf.info ALL show their own domains while following example.com?...

Create one web site at a hosting service that allows either multiple host names or IP-based hosting. Configure the website with all the hostnames you want to use for all the domain names. Configure DNS for all the domain names to point to the IP address of the website (A or CNAME records, not forwarding, which some registrars put in their DNS control panels, but really has nothing to do with DNS). Create one copy of rocket.html, and put it in a subdirectory of the website called /profiles. There is now only one file /profiles/rocket.html. You can reach it at any of the following URL's:

example.com/profiles/rocket.html
yodude.com/profiles/rocket.html
heyman.com/profiles/rocket.html
yo.org/profiles/rocket.html
surething.net/profiles/rocket.html
wtf.info/profiles/rocket.html
www.example.com/profiles/rocket.html
www.yodude.com/profiles/rocket.html
www.heyman.com/profiles/rocket.html
www.yo.org/profiles/rocket.html
www.surething.net/profiles/rocket.html
www.wtf.info/profiles/rocket.html

No forwarding, no frames, no javascript. Just simple web hosting. Search engines and everyone else will see it as many separate websites, but physically it is only one. Search engines may detect the identical content, and not show all the sites in search results. You can customize the content with server-side includes, or cgi scripts, or asp, or whatever so the content will appear differently for different domains, IF you want.

 

[methods]

well if you dont want the names live then thats a whole other story, its server sided and without them being live your right all the hosting companies do it
i have 1 on 1 host and park on sedo but the url up top never changes, so i know what you mean .

all I was saying is instead of going nuts trying to figure it out with a server sided way of doing it just make the names live and then its a cakewalk.

sorry couldnt help but im only a designer / coder not programmer which if its server side is who you need to talk to.

 

[chatcher]

NO, we do not follow at all (but thanks for *trying* to help anyway).

When BuyDomains (and others) had 300,000 names all using Masked Forwarding none of them were live sites, they all simply used so called masked forwarding.

P.S. This should not be rocket science, why is it?

You can use "masked forwarding" to redirect many names to one website, but there are drawbacks. Search engine spiders do not always see framed pages the same way people with browsers do. Anyone can right-click and see where they really are. Pages load slower because the browser is resolving two addresses and fetching content from two different servers. You are at the mercy of the owner of the server doing the forwarding and if they are handling a million names they might not be dedicating a lot of processing power to yours. Clicking on a link within the page forwarded to does not generally change the address box of the browser, etc. Just because the method is free and easy, doesn't mean it is necessarily the best way to go.

 

[methods]

excellent point............I see this with my pages that are parked..if the company is down or slow im screwed and youll see down at the bottom waiting for:whoeverssitetoload.

and your right with frames it can be really tricky with search engines.

all in all chatcher your advise is the best given and does sound pretty simple
gonna give it a whack with my domains and do away with parking.

 

[Ricado]

Web Forwarding Step-by-Step

1. 
   Build one site for all domain names on you web server.
   Modify the information for each domain name to the IP of your site.
   Put the "Index.htm" file in the root folder.
   The "Index.htm" is just a simple file with frame.

If you want to add different key words and metadata, you can build one site for each domain name or add script to default page, php or asp, to render dynamic content.

 

[seeker]

really friends...
it must be a lack of clarity problem...
I'll let realnames handle it....
it isnt doing that 1 simple thing

 

[Ricado]

Why don't you try this one.

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
<head>
   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
   <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0">
   <title>Newsletter</title>
<link rel="stylesheet" href="main.css">
</head>
<body xmlns="">
<center>
  
<table border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="border-collapse: collapse" bordercolor="#111111" width="100%" heigth="100%" id="AutoNumber1" height="521">
  <tr>
    <td width="100%" colspan="2" height="55">
    <p align="center"><font size="7" color="#FF0000">Your Unique Domain Name</font></td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td width="100%" height="465">
    <iframe style="background-color:#0000ff" width="100%" heigth="100%"  src="http://www.dnforum.com/" height="1706"></iframe></td>
  </tr>
</table>
  
</center>

<p align="center">Copyright &copy;2004 <font color="#FF0000"><b>Your Unique Domain Name</b></font> All rights reserved.</p>

</body>
</html>

Build one site for each domain name with the same content.

 

[methods]

thats what i already said...but they dont want the names activated for some reason.

best bet though cause then they are all their uniques sites and can be optimized for search engines individually....

 

[Ricado]

:-# sorry!
I do have no idea about how to let people find our the web sites if you don't want your domain names activated.

 

[seeker]

what do the names have anything to do with this?
Lets say I have 1 site and 100 domains I want to 'clone'.
Do you expect me to code 100 X that code?
I know it can be done without that.

 

[methods]

if the sites are identical then its just copy and paste.........

only thing different would be keywords (maybe) and the title.

i dont know...and after 50 posts on this I guess the "clarity" of this thread is gone.

I wish I could of been more help.


all in all there are 4 ways that " i know" of :

the way chatcher said: (server side)
they way ricardo said: (forwarding)
they way I am saying: (Client side with frames)
the other way i said: (duplicate sites)

there is no other way, I even talked and posted in multiple forums last night
and to no avail, if there is some new way I would love to know and millions of others...if you see this on a certain site please send me the url so I and everyone else can see.

 

[David G]

You can use "masked forwarding" to redirect many names to one website, but there are drawbacks. Search engine spiders do not always see framed pages the same way people with browsers do. Anyone can right-click and see where they really are. Pages load slower because the browser is resolving two addresses and fetching content from two different servers. You are at the mercy of the owner of the server doing the forwarding and if they are handling a million names they might not be dedicating a lot of processing power to yours. Clicking on a link within the page forwarded to does not generally change the address box of the browser, etc. Just because the method is free and easy, doesn't mean it is necessarily the best way to go.

Most every time I see a masked forwarded name the title (and other metatags) show up in the serach engines, meaning the url is indexed. If it is a keyword title and the search terms match the title and domain then the masked domain will appear at or near the top of Google, often in #1 position.

As far as pages loading slow, that is not so judging by the 300,000 names buydomains.com had on masked forwarding. During the yrs they did that I recall hitting on them many times and they always loaded as fast as any other url did. I still see that normal loading time today with other firms using masked forwarding, even though BD now uses a much different sales/ppc method.

Regarding being at the mercy of the servers, that is not so in my case as I have my own colocated dedicated server.

Not sure what this means "Clicking on a link within the page forwarded to does not generally change the address box of the browser, etc" ?

P.S. To Methods and others. One thing you guys are not understanding is we do NOT want all the time and expense of creating hundreds or thousands of sites with duplicate content on a server to accomplish this. Just one site with lots of domains pointing to it but using their own url in the browser window. Thanks.

 

[seeker]

I give up.
I am better off at finding who killed JFK.
Probably I have a better chance too...

 

[methods]

the expense part im not sure about..dont know what you have serverwise or if you can make sites active fro free or if you have to pay.

timewise for all the "copy" sites it would just involve just making index html file and pasting that 1 index html into each domains root folder.

<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE></TITLE>
</HEAD>
<FRAMESET ROWS="100%,*" BORDER="0" FRAMEBORDER="0">
<FRAME SRC="url of the real site" SCROLLING="AUTO" NAME="real" NORESIZE>
</FRAMESET>
</HTML>

all sites would read the url up top in url bar ..


if I am still not understanding sorry,, ive given my all.

 

[chatcher]

Most every time I see a masked forwarded name the title (and other metatags) show up in the serach engines, meaning the url is indexed. If it is a keyword title and the search terms match the title and domain then the masked domain will appear at or near the top of Google, often in #1 position.

Many search engines handle frames just fine. How they rank pages, or whether their policy will change tomorrow, who knows. I don't pretend to know anything about search engine optimization. The main page carries the title and optionally the metatags, so the spider should have no problem indexing those. If the content for the page is in a frame, meaning it is located at some other URL, then the spider will have to go fetch it before it can index it.

As far as pages loading slow, that is not so judging by the 300,000 names buydomains.com had on masked forwarding. During the yrs they did that I recall hitting on them many times and they always loaded as fast as any other url did. I still see that normal loading time today with other firms using masked forwarding, even though BD now uses a much different sales/ppc method.

I'm not saying the technique doesn't work. In fact I use frames to load ppc results all the time (the main page is on my server, so I am not dependent on the "free redirect" server at a registrar. I like things simple, and recently when eNom started trying to convert users' url forwarding to cnames to reduce their server load, I was very glad I wasn't using it. The fact is that redirection and/or frames takes longer and is less reliable than a simple web page. Look at it this way. If I have www.domain1.com and use masked forwarding at my registrar to forward it to www.domain2.com, and that page has ppc results in a frame, before a surfer sees the ppc results, his browser has to 1) resolve the IP address for www.domain1.com, 2) load the main page from the registrar's redirect server, 3) resolve the IP address of the frame URL, www.domain2.com, 4) load that page from the web server where it is hosted, 5) resolve the URL of the ppc provider, and 6) load the ppc results. If all goes well, that happens quickly and the surfer isn't aware of all the places his browser has gone. But if any link in that chain breaks, no ppc revenue for you.

Regarding being at the mercy of the servers, that is not so in my case as I have my own colocated dedicated server.

So you don't use masked forwarding as provided by your registrar (If you do, there is another web server involved in serving up the first page.)

Not sure what this means "Clicking on a link within the page forwarded to does not generally change the address box of the browser, etc" ?

What I mean is, using the above example, the content at www.domain2.com is hidden inside a frame, and the URL in the Address box says http://www.domain1.com. If you click on a link to go to a different page, lets say /page2.html, the Address box generally still says http://www.domain1.com, not the http://www.domain1.com/page2.html you would expect if it wasn't hidden in a frame. Is that important? Probably not for a ppc parking page, but if you have a large site full of content the surfer is going to get confused about where he is in the site. There are ways around this, but they aren't so simple.

P.S. To Methods and others. One thing you guys are not understanding is we do NOT want all the time and expense of creating hundreds or thousands of sites with duplicate content on a server to accomplish this. Just one site with lots of domains pointing to it but using their own url in the browser window. Thanks.

I hear that. I have one page that I use for 2000+ domains. I wouldn't think of using any method that required multiple copies of the page, or even manual configuration of forwarding or website host names.

:-# sorry!
I do have no idea about how to let people find our the web sites if you don't want your domain names activated.

Me either. I don't know what the active/inactive thing is. An inactive domain name isn't going anywhere.

I think the availability of URL forwarding from a DNS control panel confuses the issue by hiding the fact that there is a web server somewhere serving up web pages for the domain name. It may be a very limited, special-purpose server designed just for forwarding, but it serves up html code on port 80, just like every other web server. Just because a domain name is set for forwarding this way doesn't mean it is inactive.

 

[ParkQuick.com]

If you using AdSense ads with masked forwarding this way or with a site like GoDaddy, be sure to specify "site uses frames" on Google's AdSense site. That way it will look for ad context on the actual site, not just in the bogus meta tags you are using.

 

[cwsteam.com]

I will use mod_rewrite instead. PM me if u need 301 redirect help.

 

[methods]

Has anyone figured the best way out yet because I have 4 domains that I want to be the same and be able to seo all of them while only having to work on one .

Or as mentioned somewhere else on this board is is better to just have one domain name and focus on that?

 

[seeker]

I am having much more success at actually finding who killed JFK than really solving this issue

I am serious. I have it pin pointed it down to 3 individuals working for 3 groups.
As far as this question goes, the answer is much much more illusive.
I am serious, out of curiosity, i am spending equal time researching both topics to compare which is easier, and which one i will arrive at a good conclusion...
lol