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An important message from Snapnames

Will you use Snapnames, Moniker or any other Oversee company again?

  • Yes

    Votes: 83 53.5%
  • No

    Votes: 72 46.5%

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Gerry

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Look at mine , what 2007 we are talking about ?

I've been in auction with him on 14 of September 2009 , just 2 month ago :D
Nope, they can't just brush this off as an unfortunate incident.

It would be interesting to setup a separate poll thread with question - Will you use snapnames.com in near future ?

Would be interesting to see the results here in DNF
Perhaps the safest place to bid now.
 

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There are 2 big problems with Snap's proposed rebate:

1) It assumes that Nelson used only 1 fake account. If he used more than one account (why wouldn't he?) then the proposed refund formula STILL cheats customers. Every bidder at every auction now needs to be validated back to the start od Snapnames.

2) Some of Halvarez's domains where he WON the auction were sold to others, many to iReit. Those funds need to be handed back to the 'real' winner of those auctions.

3) Any parking income needs to be handed back to the 'real' winner of those auctions.

We should all pay attention to the above points because, quite frankly, this settlement is an attempt to screw us all over again.

Judging by this thread and the various articles that have popped up, the vast majority of you have swallowed the spin that Brady used only ONE identity. Think about that for a minute: this super-smart guy, a skilled engineer with a deep understanding of systems, redundancy and the eternal need for back-ups and alternatives ... he is supposed to have used only ONE identity throughout all those years? He didn't even experiment with multiple accounts when deliberately driving bidders up towards their "secret" maximums?

The only reason any of this has become public is that Oversee want to claw back the 25 million they (Over)paid for Snapnames. Following the disastrous loss of their biggest drop provider, Network Solutions, and a drastic downturn in the economy, this massively over-leveraged, shopaholic corporation is running scared of the aggressive private equity firms who poured hundreds of millions into its pre-crunch buying spree.

The fact that they can publicly pin this on Brady - pretty much the founder of Snapnames, the brains behind the system and one of the main beneficiaries of the sale - puts them in a perfect position to cry foul and they probably will get most of their money back.

That is why they aren't simply sweeping this under the carpet, because the cost of getting their $25m refunded is to take a much smaller hit in the form of rebates to the victims of Nelson.

By claiming that Brady only used ONE account, however, they get away with refunding the absolute minimum possible while still managing to get their FULL refund of $25m + interest + damages from the Snapnames sellers.

This WILL happen, just watch.

Like Accro, I too wrote to Snapnames as soon as I heard about this and noticed that they have hidden my account's record of the years when he was supposedly most active. I received the same canned response, the most important point of which was that, no, they would not send me those records, but that the specialists they hired would have a look and let me know if they owed me anything.

Here's my big, fat problem with that: these consultants will be operating under very specific guidelines, to ONLY act upon auctions in which Halvarez made the second-last bid. Their "forensic" investigation will in no way address the issue of whether Nelson operated other accounts (which, obviously, he would have), will not check to see if other accounts were given the alleged refunds he received for Halvarez, will not examine the extent to which his actions deliberately generated interest among other bidders, with the net result of inflating prices paids even when he was not the second-last bidder, will not do anything other than report back on the small percentage of auctions that this one account happened to be the second-last bidder. Not only do we have to trust their honesty, we also have to trust that the overworked, underpaid temp staff they hire to spend countless hours trawling through boring lists will not make any mistakes, will not simply skip over that $x,xxx nightmare battle you had with Halverez two years ago, because we are NOT ALLOWED to examine these records ourselves ... even though they have them, even though they are giving a third party access to them and invading our privacy without our permission.

The limitations of the instructions that these "independent" investigators will be operating under are plainly there, for all to see, in the cleverly-worded email they sent to each of you, and which was so warmly welcomed by those of you who didn't understand what they were actually saying.

The proof that their claims of transparency are, essentially, bollox, is made clear by that fact that we, their valued customers, are being denied the right to see our records for the most important years, which suspiciously disappeared from our accounts a couple of months before they, allegedly, knew anything about Nelsons actions. Bull$hit.

Any company that genuinely had honest intentions would rush to give us access to ALL our records. The reason they will not is that they know, they are 100% certain, that those records would reveal that Brady was using dozens of accounts and participating in far, far more auctions than the 5% that they are willing to admit to.

Make no mistake - they are spinning this as expertly as they can and have zero interest in treating us fairly, any refund you get merely be a side-effect of the much bigger game they are playing, and it will be a fraction of what they have actually stolen from you.

Even John Grisham couldn't come up with a more compelling example of a class action waiting to drop.
 

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no he never does, thats my point.

I just looked it up, and I can find a total of 37 auctions I was in with Halvarez and he has only bid higher then $60 once.

anyway, what i was really wondering is how they come up with who is the high bidder when it ends at $60.

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I asked that earlier.

And nearly every time he is the first bidder.

It is my understanding if there is more than one backorder, then the name goes to auction. But it didn't.

The next logical explanation would be; okay, two identical sums. First to make the over wins. But he didn't.

My suspicion is this: he was visually and hurriedly going over and scanning thousands of names a day. No way could he keep up with each one. What better way to get a running list of ones you are interested in than to "mark" them in your account. Then, when he has the time, go back over those lists again to see which ones he is seriously interested in and have additional data (traffic and other stats) to support your selection. This is where the manipulation of the system comes in: somehow, those that he was no longer interested in get passed on to the other bidder...you and me. Otherwise, this guy would be buying hundreds or thousands of name PER DAY at $59 or $60 bucks each. And, being VP of Engineering, you would have access to the system to manipulate things to indicate someone else winning other than him.
 

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Doc, that can't be the case. I believe Nelson Brady and whoever else assisted him - either directly or in the pretext that they were developing software for Snapnames - produced homegrown tools that expertly evaluated each and every domain that was caught. One could not determine the value of a rather obscure term - a dictionary .com - which he bid up to $2,300 without using an evaluating program that considered parameters such as traffic, PR, etc. etc. In fact, he had all the time and the resources in the world to fine-tune this project. He was so confident that even when all fingers pointed at Snapnames this white noise was quickly turned around as Kjel and apparently other Snapnames employees denied any wrongdoing by Snapnames.
 

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I asked that earlier.

And nearly every time he is the first bidder.

It is my understanding if there is more than one backorder, then the name goes to auction. But it didn't.

The next logical explanation would be; okay, two identical sums. First to make the over wins. But he didn't.

My suspicion is this: he was visually and hurriedly going over and scanning thousands of names a day. No way could he keep up with each one. What better way to get a running list of ones you are interested in than to "mark" them in your account. Then, when he has the time, go back over those lists again to see which ones he is seriously interested in and have additional data (traffic and other stats) to support your selection. This is where the manipulation of the system comes in: somehow, those that he was no longer interested in get passed on to the other bidder...you and me. Otherwise, this guy would be buying hundreds or thousands of name PER DAY at $59 or $60 bucks each. And, being VP of Engineering, you would have access to the system to manipulate things to indicate someone else winning other than him.

My theory is that the early part of the scam was focused mainly on making money for Snapnames, not himself.

So, the system is rigged so that when ANYONE places a backorder, Halvarez's backorder is auto-inserted.

When there is only 1 "real bidder", and the real guy never enters a large proxy, he just lets it go.

But if the 'real' bidder wants to make sure he gets the name, and say puts on a proxy bid of $1,000, then HALVAREZ places a 'losing' bid of $900 and lets the auction end. Snapnames has just legally earned $60 and illegally earned $840.

Later, Halvarez upped his game,
 

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Exactly. It's like playing with a marked deck of cards.
 

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My suspicion is this: he was visually and hurriedly going over and scanning thousands of names a day.

No way. He had help. Human help. Whether by looking the other way, or actually getting their hands dirty, others are involved. And I'm sure a bot or 2 helped too, once the bidding started.
 

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BTW, this did not start in 2005 like they are claiming.
 

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To think this went on for years and nobody else in the company knew means they either have crappy systems to monitor high bidding activity or they knew.

-=DCG=-

That's really an understatement of what we know happened. To edit your statement for accuracy;


"To think this went on for years while company executives continuously assured customers they had investigated multiple cases with specific evidence of wrongdoing submitted by at least a few dozen customers means they either have crappy systems to monitor high bidding activity or at least 2 executives were involved in a conspiracy to commit fraud."
 

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What about people who would have won names but lost them to him? I lost quite a few auctions and I'm wondering if he "won" some of them?

Edit: Odd, the only "history" I see with Snap is the auction I was in earlier this year.
 

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That's really an understatement of what we know happened. To edit your statement for accuracy;


"To think this went on for years while company executives continuously assured customers they had investigated multiple cases with specific evidence of wrongdoing submitted by at least a few dozen customers means they either have crappy systems to monitor high bidding activity or at least 2 executives were involved in a conspiracy to commit fraud."

Agreed
 

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Check your domains. One of the domains I bought with them in the last 2 months has been lost. I can not find a registrar anymore. I just talked to SnapNames. They are "looking" into this.

The registrar disappeared. Un-fu-believe.
 

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What about people who would have won names but lost them to him? I lost quite a few auctions and I'm wondering if he "won" some of them?

Check your order history, it will be pretty easy to spot the ones he won. More importantly, check the ones that you won, to see if he was the second-last bidder on any of them. If so, congratulations, a meagre payment may be on its way to you.

Unfortunately, Snapnames recently took away access to the years when he was most active - not because they're trying to hide anyway, heavens no, they were simply worried that some of us might not have a fast enough Internet connection to download an entire page of text.
 
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one major concern i have is, if snap goes under, could moniker?
or are they separate companies under oversee?

could moniker go under, would it get bought by someone else?
as i loved moniker before , the family feel, everything went like clockwork. oversee took over and really shagged it
bari and monte were only reason i stayed as 100% reliable and trustworthy and knew they would sort things

i really have to think about shipping everything out
problem is theres no such thing as a great registrar.
godaddy is reliable on most things but gets hacked all the time, enom customer support is cack and expensive, etc etc

the way this is escalating, and i mean multiple members just on here out of pocket tens and even hundreds of grand:eek:

this could totally f*ck oversee

everyones saying refuse rust and oversees offers and do class action. so how do we start that?

also on np, that overss rob character said he couldnt say whether they contacted police about brady. what a sham. of course he can say, just not give further details. a member there has officially stated that he is out of pocket to tune of xxx,xxx and has filed a report with fbi. i would suggest when people have lost that amount its best action

i dont think ive been affected by halvarez, but im worried about names at moniker
 

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i dont think ive been affected by halvarez, but im worried about names at moniker

same here, wish Monte or Bari would comment...
 

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one major concern i have is, if snap goes under, could moniker?
or are they separate companies under oversee?

Most corporations have legal liability insurance, it might actually be a legal requirement for financially active American corporations.

the way this is escalating, and i mean multiple members just on here out of pocket tens and even hundreds of grand:eek:

this could totally f*ck oversee

No matter how much it escalates, Oversee will gain a lot more by clawing back what they paid for Snapnames, as I explained in my post above.

It is important to note that all they have committed to pay back is a tiny fraction of what they gained - they are only paying out on ONE of Brady's accounts, they have cleverly removed access to our order history for the most relevant years, so, we have to trust their assessment of what they owe, and no-one will receive any compensation for over-paying on auctions in which that one, specific account was not the second-last bidder, no matter how much his presence and bids artificially inflated the winning price.

everyones saying refuse rust and oversees offers and do class action. so how do we start that?
Lawyers make more money from these actions than almost anything else and this is a pretty juicy situation, if word gets out there will probably be a mini stampede of firms trying to sign us up for an action. HOWEVER, the one thing that would put them off is the relative dis-unity, fragmentation and anonymity of domainers as a group. That is why Oversee are testing the water and trying to lowball us. The vast majority of people who received that original email will have been alarmed but also hopeful that they had an unexpected pay-out coming their way. Few would have bothered to visit a forum such as this and, even here, few seem to realize the extent to which they've been defrauded, and just how low-ball Snapname's proposal is.

also on np, that overss rob character said he couldnt say whether they contacted police about brady.
They have not contacted the police because the time to do it would have been before they fired him. The police should have been actually waiting at the office with a pair of handcuffs and a bar of soap.

Oversee have not involved the police because that would mean an actual, proper investigation, not this sham "independent", "forensic" sham, in which a firm of lawyers, who specialize in minimizing the amount of money that criminally negligent companies pay to their victims, will be operating strictly under the ridiculous assertion that Brady used only one account.

Police involvement and the plea bargain process would quickly have Brady singing like a canary, revealing the full extent of his involvement and, almost certainly, the involvement of everyone else on the management team.


i dont think ive been affected by halvarez, but im worried about names at moniker

If you bought a single domain from Snapnames since 2003, you HAVE been affected, because his frantic activity inflated the entire perception of what domains where worth, even in auctions in which he didn't make an appearance.
 

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Are there any DNFORUM members in the area of the Snapnames office in Oregon?

I'd like to see some photos of the cars these guys are driving, and get some estimates on the value of their homes.... purchase prices and the dates they were purchased.

Let's see if it looks like they came into a pile of extra money recently, and if there are assets we can be going after. Let's also see if they own their office, and what kind of assets we have there.

If anyone has Kjel or Nelson's home address, please post it and so we can do some investigation.

It's time to start putting dibs on the assets before they disappear into Halvarez land.
 
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