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I am not saying all this because I have invested several hundreds dollars in .co, I am saying this because I have made thousands of dollars by selling ccTLDs.

My advice to you: stop thinking like domainers and start thinking like your regular web user.

Regular web users are going to type in ".com" more often than not if the domain is ".co". It's too similar to be used unless the website using it also owns the .com so they can forward the lost traffic. Otherwise all a .co is doing is making the .com more valuable.

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You mean "Colombia"?

As to my point, spend more than two seconds considering the long term consequences of deliberately blurring the lines between .co and .com, as opposed to me sitting here and writing a thesis on it for you [it's all right out there, if you would just look]. So long as human beings have fingers, traffic bleed will be unceasing. A responsible registry, people with ethics, would have restricted .co's use to Colombia [as their government at one time recommended], where it would have remained a minimal threat of being a source of constant confusion.

What's next, .comm for "communications websites". I suppose that would make the internet a better place too? The domain business is fast becoming a free for all for the lowest order of shenanigans. It's frustrating to see this .com traffic grab perpetuated by the very people that stand to gain the most by keeping the waters as clean as possible. But what else should I expect from a bunch of newbies and cybersquatting assholes?

How does .co catching typo traffic affect .com's? Unless a trademark is being infringed I don't see where the damage is done. And the "damage" is definitely not affecting human progress. Are you serious?
 

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.CO might have some modest success down the road, but still the quality of most of the regs I have seen will never have value IMO. The domains that will have value are the premium terms that will have value in basically any extension, and were long gone when the open registration period began.

I am shocked there are only 300K total regs with most of the garbage and typo squatting regs I have seen.

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Protecting your trademark does not mean registering all TLDs. If somebody registers your trademark, simply take the domain from them. There are channels set up to do both this and to sue the infringing individual.
This is precisely why so many corporate groups and the FCC are working to stem the flow of new TLD's coming out.

Honestly, I am totally aware of the process(es) established to seize domain names.

If we go totally with the rationale you expressed, protecting your trademark does not mean registering all TLD's but it does mean suing them in a court of law or taking some legal action?

No. Corporations, the FCC and the US Dept of Justice are more inclined to stop the blatant illegal registration of protected trademarks before the registration process which will put a stop to the costs incurred by these corporations to protect their TM after the fact.

This is precisely why we will see more laws protecting the corporation and consumer vs. laws protecting a domainer. It is because of the domainer that Congress are contemplating new laws.

Call it cybersquatting, brandsquatting, phishing schemes, or scams...there are no laws presently on the books or pending that are in favor of domainers in the sense, first come-first served.

People do stupid things all the while knowingly against laws but then claim innocence once caught.
 

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This is precisely why so many corporate groups and the FCC are working to stem the flow of new TLD's coming out.

Honestly, I am totally aware of the process(es) established to seize domain names.

If we go totally with the rationale you expressed, protecting your trademark does not mean registering all TLD's but it does mean suing them in a court of law or taking some legal action?

No. Corporations, the FCC and the US Dept of Justice are more inclined to stop the blatant illegal registration of protected trademarks before the registration process which will put a stop to the costs incurred by these corporations to protect their TM after the fact.

This is precisely why we will see more laws protecting the corporation and consumer vs. laws protecting a domainer. It is because of the domainer that Congress are contemplating new laws.

Call it cybersquatting, brandsquatting, phishing schemes, or scams...there are no laws presently on the books or pending that are in favor of domainers in the sense, first come-first served.

People do stupid things all the while knowingly against laws but then claim innocence once caught.
I agree that trademarks should be protected. That was not my initial point. It was that there's nothing wrong with registering typo .co's assuming you aren't infringing on any trademarks.
 

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It is because of the domainer that Congress are contemplating new laws.

yeah, you're right Doc!

and you know why?

if domainers had never started having all those world-wide domain conventions, going up to New York City bragging about their Premium Generic domains they own. Travleing all around the globe all "willy-nilly", trying to start their own domainer lobby groups for equal rights and whatnot.


yeah, and if domainers had never started sending out emails to corporations and businesses, with solicitations to buy some domains, they wouldn't be making laws against us.


it's kinda like domainers have been saying "look at me, look at us....see what we got and we wanna sell it to you"



us domainers, we are an arrogant bunch of cybersquatters aren't we


:)


imo...
 

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I believe in rights, even for domainers.

But one thing you point out and the countless times we have even seen it posted on the forum, is someone contacting a company to see if they want to buy their name or a typo of their name.

WTF?

I am absolutely amazed at all the threads I have seen over the years in using this approach as a means to sell to the end user.


I have your name in an extension that you do not, you have never heard of, it will not bring any traffic, it is meaningless, yet you need to buy it.

I bought it before you.

Therefore, I own it and you do not.


I guess that is how all the conversations and letters should start out when contacting some end users.

CocaCola, here I come. I have CocaCola.xxx and you don't therefore you should buy it from me.

I use xxx to represent any TLD even though that may become a new TLD.

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ok, off to buy milk.com, milk.co, milk.cm, MlLK.com, MlLK.co, MlLK.cm
 
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For all the comservators out there, we got the message, you don't like it because it's bursting your bubble (which got busted long ago anyway) but you can't get behind the fact that the .com is over saturated AND overpriced and that most people aren't made of money especially not in times of crisis. So what do they do? They go toward their mainland TLDs, .net, .info, .me, .tv, .co and even domain hacks (oh yes).

I am not saying all this because I have invested several hundreds dollars in .co, I am saying this because I have made thousands of dollars by selling ccTLDs.

My advice to you: stop thinking like domainers and start thinking like your regular web user.

Now look at this differently: ask the regular web user what they think of .me or .co.
They are not going to "this is the TLD of Montenegro or Colombia", instead it's more likely they will just tell you they don't even know about it, period.
Web users also tend to shy away from extensions they are not familiar with. In some way .co smells like phishing. Not their fault but well. IMO it's also going to get a bad rep with all the abusive registrations taking place.

I have made good money on ccTLDs too.
But if you think .co is THE alternative to the saturated/overpriced .com you are delusional. There are a number of drawbacks with the .co TLD, of course the potential for confusion with .com not being the least.

Nonetheless I regged a few .co, because it's a ccTLD and not an artificial extension à la .mobi or .tel.
 

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Now look at this differently: ask the regular web user what they think of .me or .co.
They are not going to "this is the TLD of Montenegro or Colombia", instead it's more likely they will just tell you they don't even know about it, period.
Web users also tend to shy away from extensions they are not familiar with. In some way .co smells like phishing. Not their fault but well. IMO it's also going to get a bad rep with all the abusive registrations taking place.

Again you are thinking like a domainer not a web user. People know .me, after two years the extension has shown itself to be very successful and lately you have had Wordpress (cf. wp.me) and Yahoo (cf. me.me) among others jumping in the bandwagon. It's not because you don't have a .me in Alexa top 300 or you don't see sales exceeding 10K that it's not working, it definitely became the individual's extension.
.co smells like phishing? To you, domainer, maybe. I doubt joe sees it as such. It's true for .cm for obvious reasons but .co? Certainly not and the reason is simple: co = company.


But if you think .co is THE alternative to the saturated/overpriced .com you are delusional. There are a number of drawbacks with the .co TLD, of course the potential for confusion with .com not being the least.

Never said such thing, you are extrapolating. But I disagree with the "confusion" argument, .com is communication, .co is company, if you don't see it that way then you are the one who is delusional.

I will end my argument with the following paragraph from DNJ:


Pair of ccTLDs Sell for $750,000 to Help Non .Com Domains Take More Entries Than .Coms on Our Top 20 Chart for the 2nd Week in a Row
This was a very unusual week in the domain aftermarket. For the first time since we started tracking domain sales seven years ago, there are more non .com domains on our weekly all-extension Top 20 Sales Chart than .coms for the second consecutive week. Last week11-9. The score was the same this week (in both cases the non .com contingent included eight ccTLDs and three non .com gTLDs). non .com's outnumbered .coms
The rise of ccTLDs in recent years has made this anomaly possible. The question is will this remain an anomaly or will it become a fairly common occurrence? This week's ccTLD charge was led by a pair of country code domains that sold for a stunning total of $750,000 to top our latest leader board.
 

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Again you are thinking like a domainer not a web user. People know .me, after two years the extension has shown itself to be very successful and lately you have had Wordpress (cf. wp.me) and Yahoo (cf. me.me) among others jumping in the bandwagon. It's not because you don't have a .me in Alexa top 300 or you don't see sales exceeding 10K that it's not working, it definitely became the individual's extension.
.co smells like phishing? To you, domainer, maybe. I doubt joe sees it as such. It's true for .cm for obvious reasons but .co? Certainly not and the reason is simple: co = company.

The average computer user has heard of COM/NET/ORG and maybe their ccTLD. I have known people who have been online for 10-12 years and don't even know about .INFO, nevermind more obscure extensions.

I think you are really overestimating the awareness and acceptance of secondary extensions with the general public.

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Your people must be on a different internet than my people.
 

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DNCat, seriously. I have been into ccTLDs for many years, well before domainers took notice, so I understand the potential.
But here we are talking about branded ccTLDs, it's not like we're talking about .co.uk .de .nl or .es.

For instance I agree .me does well for personal sites. But how many serious, large-scale websites are to be found in vanity extensions ?
How many do you think will be brave enough to brand under .co exclusively ? Don't hold your breath.

wp.me, me.me... sorry these are URL shorteners. Even then - a handful of high profile sites does not make for a thriving TLD.
I think you are overestimating the whole thing. .co is extremely close to .com but it's not the real thing, and people are not stupid.
 

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me.me is not an URL shortener.

To each their own heh? Will see the state of the market in two years.

Also has anyone mentionned TVC.CO on auction at Sedo w/ a 1K bid? The first one...
 

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@Katherine

URL redirecting and URL shortening are two different things. But anyway this was just an example.
 
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Fair enough, there are reported sales for pretty much any TLD.
For example, .mobi has had promising sales then - poof.

The trick of course is to make sure that the future big sales involve your own domains, and repeat the feat again and again :)
 

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After some verification it seems that namebio.com got mixed up with .com and .co but I believe some of them are actual sales such as duck.co (sold to the search engine duckduckgo.com), connected.co, and.co, forums.co and a few others.

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Contacting namebio.com...

With DNSaleprice.com (always) down we don't really have a valid alternative.
 

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DN Cat, love "Developed".CO!!! I was looking for a site that showcases these domains and it is perfect! I registered for your XCH.Co, but I'm the first to post?
 

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DN Cat, love "Developed".CO!!! I was looking for a site that showcases these domains and it is perfect! I registered for your XCH.Co, but I'm the first to post?

I am glad you like it, I'll try to add new websites everyday. Yes XCH.CO just launched and I haven't been promoting it yet, I'd rather want people to spread the word.
 

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I finally got www.breeder.co great for my project. I suppose to develop wagzone.com, but I have a better name to service dogs, cats, and other animals.... wish me luck.

What do you think of breeder.co ?
 
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