How much is 1st place Google worth to you?

[cleverlyslick]

this thread deserves a sticky.thank you guys for sharing such useful and important information.you guys are great.

 

[loredan]

this ain't no secret...

meta tags

some content, with a little well placed bold text

hand coded in basic html

Exactly.
Domain name, content, keywords, description.

Agreed 110%

I have many sites, most from 1-5 pages, in the top 10 at google (and everyone that buys their results, such as AOL, etc), yahoo (and all they feed) and msn simply by sticking to these simple concepts. No 100 pages of worthless content, no linkfarms, no networking of my names, just basic html stuff with unique relevant content, thought out descriptions and keywords.

Oh, kids, kids ... with all the above you can rank indeed for keyphrases such as "organic wine for sale today from 3pm to 7pm" , "buy toilet paper from the corner shop Austin Texas USA" or any other looong tail kw's which will get you 1 drunk visitor per month to your websites.

When it comes to real stuff on real keywords...well...things are slightly different :lol:

I like to Help People and I Love SEO....

I truly enjoy the challenges and opportunities that search engine optimization presents, and I need to earn money.

I thought it would be a good idea to earn money helping people what I do best, which is, search engine optimization and keyword marketing. I learned from experience, so I know what feels like to be confused about SEO.

Since you call yourself a SEO Expert, I was going to ask what's your opinion on link exchanges (noticed the site under your sig) and if you know Google's opinion on link exchanges

 

[Gerry]

I have had a niche site flip flop between four and one for a couple of years now.

What is it worth?

I am getting ready to find out.

I will be approaching the industry this is geared towards and soliciting ads and sponsorship.

So I'll see what the top spot is worth to them.

540,000 users...gotta be worth something, eh?

 

[copper]

I have had a niche site flip flop between four and one for a couple of years now.

What is it worth?

I am getting ready to find out.

I will be approaching the industry this is geared towards and soliciting ads and sponsorship.

So I'll see what the top spot is worth to them.

540,000 users...gotta be worth something, eh?

540,000 users?
No kidding?
Is that site something to do with Nurse?
If that's the one, I remember you mention that site some time ago.

I read/heard many times that Professional Internet Marketers quoting
each email address (member's email address) is worth $1/mth average to them.

If that's true, even at 10%, that's like $54K/mth

 

[cursal]

I have had a niche site flip flop between four and one for a couple of years now.

What is it worth?

I am getting ready to find out.

I will be approaching the industry this is geared towards and soliciting ads and sponsorship.

So I'll see what the top spot is worth to them.

540,000 users...gotta be worth something, eh?

Congrats. Them is some nice numbers

 

[cleverlyslick]

For example...
I am on #2 out of 328,000 pages for "mind orgasm" without quote for long time.
#1 out of 12,000 pages for "mind orgasm" with quote for long time.
That site barely has any content.
I made that bare site just trying to prove importance of "Domain name".

If you look at source code...
It doesn't even have any meta tags.
Hell, it doesn't even close head section (you don't see </head>).
Some say don't use table as it's bad for SEO and it's using it.

It's all based on competition.

do surfers actually quote "" keywords they're looking up?(i never have) because if that's the case then i'm # 10 in the first page lol :lol:

 

[Biggie]

I am not trying to pick on you, but...
I am sure you already know it's little more than that.
It's all depend on keyword (search term).
How many sites are competing for that keyword.

If you are going after "mortgage", I am sure that will not be as simple as that.
How old is your site?
How often do you update?
Are your contents all original and unique?
How many legit incoming links?
What's PR for site that link to your site?
What is your site PR?
Keyword within domain name?
Keyword within site title?
Keyword within head title?
Keyword within content?
Relevant keywords within content?
How many relevant pages with relevant keywords?

It goes on and on...

However, as you said, Google like basic stuff.
Many try to out smart Google (Black hat), but, that only work for short time.

It takes time and effort to be on first page of Google for any decent keywords.

It doesn't take much effort at all if there aren't much competition for given keyword.

For example...
I am on #2 out of 328,000 pages for "mind orgasm" without quote for long time.
#1 out of 12,000 pages for "mind orgasm" with quote for long time.
That site barely has any content.
I made that bare site just trying to prove importance of "Domain name".

If you look at source code...
It doesn't even have any meta tags.
Hell, it doesn't even close head section (you don't see </head>).
Some say don't use table as it's bad for SEO and it's using it.

It's all based on competition.

all you said is true and relevant

however, each detail you list may not be necessary for every domain/website in question


if i can get on first or second page of google for some lame keywords then i'm happy, especailly when i'm not paying some wanna-be seo expert or buying links, which won't "guarantee" anything

the few "drunk" internet searchers who happen upon my site and click thru will provide enough cash to pay reg fee's and put some cash in my pocket...that makes me happy and in the end, that's all that matters.

so, the longer i am able to provide "sustainable" income to hold my domain, it will continue to age, which adds value as well.

i typically buy "keyword" enriched domains, so relevant ad grabbing is no problem and i don't care how long the domain is.

many try to figure how people search, but as an observer, i know people will type in 3,4 or 5 words or more in google looking for something and i don't have a problem regging 20 something letter domains to capture that market.

this is where i leave the competition behind


imo...

 

[copper]

do surfers actually quote "" keywords they're looking up?(i never have) because if that's the case then i'm # 10 in the first page lol :lol:

That's exactly my point!
I said "It's all based on competition".

If there are lots of demand for "mind orgasm", tons of other sites will work hard
to get on top position and I am sure mine will drop big time if I leave it as is.

btw, your post triggered my curiosity, so...
I just checked stats for it and it got 526 unique visitors for this month.
So, there are some people who is looking, yes?

all you said is true and relevant

however, each detail you list may not be necessary for every domain/website in question


if i can get on first or second page of google for some lame keywords then i'm happy, especailly when i'm not paying some wanna-be seo expert or buying links, which won't "guarantee" anything

the few "drunk" internet searchers who happen upon my site and click thru will provide enough cash to pay reg fee's and put some cash in my pocket...that makes me happy and in the end, that's all that matters.

so, the longer i am able to provide "sustainable" income to hold my domain, it will continue to age, which adds value as well.

i typically buy "keyword" enriched domains, so relevant ad grabbing is no problem and i don't care how long the domain is.

many try to figure how people search, but as an observer, i know people will type in 3,4 or 5 words or more in google looking for something and i don't have a problem regging 20 something letter domains to capture that market.

this is where i leave the competition behind


imo...

You are correct and I agree with you
That's why I said...
It's all depend on keyword (search term).
How many sites are competing for that keyword.

 

[tonyfloyd]

how about #5 for italian recipes??.......out of 907,000 search results.....with NO QUOTES!..

 

[copper]

how about #5 for italian recipes??.......out of 907,000 search results.....with NO QUOTES!..

That's great tony. Congrats!

Actually, # out of how many pages is not real success measure.
It should be like...
I am on #5 for "italian recipes" keyword with ovt of 30,909
That's good ovt #, Tony.

Again, difficulty comes from competition, not how many pages
and you are getting good traffic, I bet

 

[Gerry]

540,000 users?
No kidding?
Is that site something to do with Nurse?
If that's the one, I remember you mention that site some time ago.

I read/heard many times that Professional Internet Marketers quoting
each email address (member's email address) is worth $1/mth average to them.

If that's true, even at 10%, that's like $54K/mth

You are on the right direction in regards to what the site is about.

As for selling names of users, I certainly will not do that.

I may have an opt in for such a thing, should the user want to be notified of jobs per region, state, etc.

It has been a monster getting this going.

And it will be a monster getting the next phase going.

Once that is complete, there are about 4 sister sites to be done that are basically sites but for the most part "coming soon".
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As for getting to be number one on google, it is just a matter of finding a niche, finding a void in that niche, and filling the hole.

You must know the market you are involved with.

The less competition the better. Imagine having a site that is part of the online auction community and wondering why you are not number one no matter what you do.

If you narrow your focus and stay within a certain niche, this can still be a very viable market.

 

[tonyfloyd]

That's great tony. Congrats!

Actually, # out of how many pages is not real success measure.
It should be like...
I am on #5 for "italian recipes" keyword with ovt of 30,909
That's good ovt #, Tony.

Again, difficulty comes from competition, not how many pages
and you are getting good traffic, I bet

Thanks Copper!...Yeah...site is doing quite well....and didn't have to hire any so-called SEO experts....or link submitters.....just good 'ol ORIGINAL CONTENT....updated often...

 

[copper]

You are on the right direction in regards to what the site is about.

As for selling names of users, I certainly will not do that.

I may have an opt in for such a thing, should the user want to be notified of jobs per region, state, etc.

It has been a monster getting this going.

And it will be a monster getting the next phase going.

Once that is complete, there are about 4 sister sites to be done that are basically sites but for the most part "coming soon".
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As for getting to be number one on google, it is just a matter of finding a niche, finding a void in that niche, and filling the hole.

You must know the market you are involved with.

The less competition the better. Imagine having a site that is part of the online auction community and wondering why you are not number one no matter what you do.

If you narrow your focus and stay within a certain niche, this can still be a very viable market.

I knew it!
I didn't mean selling your email list.
It's more like sending weekly/monthly newsletter and you can sell ads on that
for big $, selling your own things on it or put aff. links on it.

540,000 membership is not laughing matter no matter how you look at it.
I am sure many businesses that relate to nurses will salivate for your email list
and that means BIG$! Don't go for little money. Ask BIG$ and you will get it.

Play this right and you have yourself Golden Goose
I hope you know what you got here.

 

[Salient]

If competition is tight for a keyword, imo Backlinks are most important. Very good backlinks, not just any. This is also the hardest part of seo, imo - because you rely on someone else.

 

[Gerry]

If competition is tight for a keyword, imo Backlinks are most important. Very good backlinks, not just any. This is also the hardest part of seo, imo - because you rely on someone else.

I agree totally.

My site had such good value to those that use it, it has been picked up by others that are helping to boost the site up.

One particular site actually ranks higher than my site for a certain search term. They are number one. But when you click on their link on Google, it takes you to my site.

That is cool.

So for that particular search phrase, I essentially occupy the number 1 and 4 spot.

 

[randomo]

I have a domain at Parked.com that was #4 on Google last week for a nice keyword phrase (& was starting to generate decent revenue) ... but it's not even in the top 100 now. Oh, well - easy come, easy go.

 

[copper]

I have a domain at Parked.com that was #4 on Google last week for a nice keyword phrase (& was starting to generate decent revenue) ... but it's not even in the top 100 now. Oh, well - easy come, easy go.

Easy come, easy go?
Just like that?

Why can't you make site for it and get that position back :?:

 

[Dale Hubbard]

how about #5 for italian recipes??.......out of 907,000 search results.....with NO QUOTES!..

Yeah and a FINE site! I keep all the recipes after I subscribed to the site. Cooked two so far. Love it

This subject is as complex as the Google algorithm. Maybe a new sticky thread would be in order so members can dissect it. Seriously.

 

[Biggie]

Yeah and a FINE site! I keep all the recipes after I subscribed to the site. Cooked two so far. Love it

This subject is as complex as the Google algorithm. Maybe a new sticky thread would be in order so members can dissect it. Seriously.

Hi

i wouldn't have a problem "sticky'n" the thread, however i think the OP's intent was to perhaps get a few sales with the title , along with their user name.

for that reason alone, i would be hesitant.

however, if this thread can be kept "solicitation and promotional" free, and there are more contributions, then perhaps we can make it a "sticky".

 

[tonyfloyd]

Yeah and a FINE site! I keep all the recipes after I subscribed to the site. Cooked two so far. Love it .

Thanks Dale!!!......I have been thinking about maybe doing a complete new re-design on the site......