Moral/Ethical Question

[denny007]

I would certainly bee thankful if someone inform me privately that I am in kinda fishy deal. I got burned SO MANY times here, lost at least $10K, probably more. Also we could setup some independent "forum" to post suspicious threads - so many times I have the 6th sense telling me "wow, that stinks" but I do not post it. Actually if someone get burned, it is a lesson for him, everyone lerns from mistakes. By reporting or posting it in the thread I have nothing to gain, but lot to loose - flamewar, warning points, angry seller etc.

 

[mxzsleds]

GT you have no idea if that name is going to drop to 0. First of all this is not the first vj search anyone has done. MTV did a search every 4 years. Second of all they are going to be re-running the shows, for more than 3 days. You have no idea if they are comming back to a next season. Dont think you are playing moderator GT. I am selling my name at a resonable price. Anyone who knows what they are doing should do their research on names they buy. I would hope anyone buying the name would type vjsearch into google and the number one thing that comes up is the show. Anyone can see that the show is comming to an end. You obviously loved the show, as did many others. In the furture do not post in my threads. Your post was deleted because it was wrong. Stop thinking you are mr moral and worry about your own names. You have a lot of balls thinking I am scamming someone for $280 after I just was apart of a $14,000 (trisha.com) and $18,000 (private) sale.
Dan

Bottom line I scam no one!

 

[GT Web]

Your sales thread was unethical. You knew very well why the traffic jumped to 400+ visits per day and didn't tell anyone. If you actually sold the name and the buyer knew all of this, then its a moot point and my post in your thread doesnt matter.

However, the larger issue about sellers misleading buyers should be further debated.

 

[mxzsleds]

Whoever bought vjsearch.com and did not know what it was shouldnt be a member of this forum; you would think an exclusive member like yourself would do your research. You have no idea what-so-ever how many more times they will air the show and is there will be a season 2, 3 or even a 4. Your comments represent your age. Ask anyone who deals with me, I dont scam anyone. I will give money back to buyer right now if he feels he is miss-leaded.
Dan

 

[denny007]

Whoever bought vjsearch.com and did not know what it was shouldnt be a member of this forum

And why someone should do research when you could post this info in the sales thread ? I agree with GT web. I would allow all non-personal comments in sales threads, even without a proof. If the seller is sure with his goods, he can easily ridicule a poster of any remark.

 

[mxzsleds]

Whoever bought vjsearch.com and did not know what it was shouldnt be a member of this forum

And why someone should do research when you could post this info in the sales thread ? I agree with GT web. I would allow all non-personal comments in sales threads, even without a proof. If the seller is sure with his goods, he can easily ridicule a poster of any remark.

Denny if you dont do your own research before you buy you are a fool.
Dan

 

[denny007]

Denny if you dont do your own research before you buy you are a fool.

I do not do reserach if I feel the seller can be trusted, I expect the seller will post all information he has. Now you telling me on your sales I HAVE TO do research, because you are suppressing important information ? Why just simply do not post "this is typo comming from a TV show, this TV show ends in 2 weeks and maybe next year will be again" or so ? Why not ? Why should a lot of people do own research when you can simply post all known facts and save work to all those people ?

 

[dodo1]

if you dont do your own research before you buy you are a fool.

Now, that is only half the truth. If everything in a sales thread "seems" to be perfectly explained and correct (although it is not) people might think they do not have to do the research, because they believe they can trust the seller. Also, buyers who are quite new to the industry might not know how to do the research. In both cases buyers get scammed due to a seller giving false information. Therefore it is always great if a more experienced domainer gives a heads-up in the sales thread to warn other buyers - as long as he can proof his suspicion, of course.

 

[gmac17]

mxzsleds is saying buyer beware, and that if you don't do your research it is your fault.

The rest of us are saying that we would hope a seller would have the courtesy of telling the full story when selling the name. I agree with the rest of us...

 

[Biggie]

GT you have no idea if that name is going to drop to 0. First of all this is not the first vj search anyone has done. MTV did a search every 4 years. Second of all they are going to be re-running the shows, for more than 3 days. You have no idea if they are comming back to a next season. Dont think you are playing moderator GT. I am selling my name at a resonable price. Anyone who knows what they are doing should do their research on names they buy. I would hope anyone buying the name would type vjsearch into google and the number one thing that comes up is the show. Anyone can see that the show is comming to an end. You obviously loved the show, as did many others. In the furture do not post in my threads. Your post was deleted because it was wrong. Stop thinking you are mr moral and worry about your own names. You have a lot of balls thinking I am scamming someone for $280 after I just was apart of a $14,000 (trisha.com) and $18,000 (private) sale.
Dan

Bottom line I scam no one!

I have to agree basically with your response.

GT has no right to post in your thread regarding how long the traffic will last.

There are no guarantee's on traffic names.

now if a member was selling a traffic name, and he/she had paid for that traffic and did not disclose this, then that would be a valid point to bring up in a "traffic sale". But to state that a name will not receive traffic after a certain period, because it was a TV Show, is not a valid reason for commenting in a sales thread.
GT WEB, does not have a "crystal ball" to know for sure, absolutely and positively, that traffic will cease.

i have noticed that "GT" continues to post comments in sales threads, telling members what the rules are and so-forth and so-on, and is always looking for a way to get around the "no comment" in sales threads rule!

Unless you have "concrete" proof of a scam, then stay out of other members sales threads!

imo...

 

[DNGeeks]

I don't think it's a "scam" to not post information such as this, but an omission of the truth which can be just as harmful.

I've done research on domains and found them to have fake PR, paid traffic, stolen content, outright lies, copyright and trademark issues (not just the name, but the content as well) and all of those issues impact a buyer. Yet some users who aren't as knowledgable continue to bid on the names.

I'm not going to send 10 PM's and hope that those users tell others that bid about these issues. I'd rather post it in public and let the bidders sort it out.

When a user sells a domain and says "this site is legal" someone who actually knows it's not legal should speak up. When someone says "the content is mine" and it's copied from another members well known site word for word someone needs to say something.

Sure we can report those posts and hope a mod or admin does something in the next 48 hours before the sale/auction ends. But posting in the thread will make users stop and think about the issues and question the sale.

Personal attacks should be dealt with harshly, as should posts without evidence.

Legitimate concerns should be allowed in the post and be allowed to be resolved in public so everyones concerns can be taken care of.

 

[gmac17]

GT WEB, does not have a "crystal ball" to know for sure, absolutely and positively, that traffic will cease.

I'd gladly make a wager that traffic will fall off by at least 90% 6 months from now.

 

[mxzsleds]

I'd gladly make a wager that traffic will fall off by at least 90% 6 months from now.

So Gmac17... tell me this. Say traffic falls over the next 6-8 months. What happens when they come out with season 2? Or what happens if they come out with a show in the United Stated about vjsearch? What happens if they have 10 seasons scheduled...? well then I made I really bad sale. The term vjserach and vj have been used elsewhere besides this show, including MTV. The value of a name is not always a result in the type in traffic it recieves.

 

[labrocca]

mxzsleds...do you really have a problem with the information that GTweb has given?

 

[mxzsleds]

mxzsleds...do you really have a problem with the information that GTweb has given?

I dont have a problem at all with the information he has given. It is how he is stating it, and his opinions I have a problem with. He sent me a PM saying I shouldnt be "ripping people off", and saying that I am immoral or a scammer. Then he makes an entire moral/ethical delima question in the platinum lounge basically blaming my name without actually saying it. The comments he makes gives me a bad name. He would post the information in my thread and then make a comment like: everyone should know the traffic for this name will go to 0 in a couple months. I have no problem with anyone providing information twords a sale but he needs to seperate information from opinion and leave his opinions out.

 

[StockDoctor]

Attacks in sales threads, or opinions should NOT be allowed. Then again questions asking for clarification about traffic or any other performance criteria, stats, concerns or perceived risks should always be allowed, and not seen as an attack. Buyer questions are often displayed for others in the ebay auctions. I don't see any problem with that.

 

[mxzsleds]

Attacks in sales threads, or opinions should NOT be allowed. Then again questions asking for clarification about traffic or any other performance criteria, stats, concerns or perceived risks should always be allowed, and not seen as an attack. Buyer questions are often displayed for others in the ebay auctions. I don't see any problem with that.

I agree

 

[gmac17]

So Gmac17... tell me this. Say traffic falls over the next 6-8 months. What happens when they come out with season 2? Or what happens if they come out with a show in the United Stated about vjsearch? What happens if they have 10 seasons scheduled...? well then I made I really bad sale. The term vjserach and vj have been used elsewhere besides this show, including MTV. The value of a name is not always a result in the type in traffic it recieves.

If you are selling something at the highpoint, and you are not mentioning that it will certainly drop significantly in the coming months - you should have no problem with someone commenting on this. Perhaps he shouldn't have said "will drop to zero" or said you were ripping people off, but understand that a lot of other people around here would have given full disclosure in the original post.

If the possibility of season two is so great why not bring that up and say "just wait until next season!"

 

[GT Web]

Biggedon - I wasn't sure what to do, so I made this thread. Adam posted a response saying it was OK to post in the sales thread assuming I had proof and it was not a personal attack. Had Adam told me I shouldn't post in the sales thread, I would not have done it. I never publicly called mxzsleds a liar, or a cheater or anything else, I simply provided some background on the name.

So Gmac17... tell me this. Say traffic falls over the next 6-8 months. What happens when they come out with season 2? Or what happens if they come out with a show in the United Stated about vjsearch? What happens if they have 10 seasons scheduled...? well then I made I really bad sale. The term vjserach and vj have been used elsewhere besides this show, including MTV. The value of a name is not always a result in the type in traffic it recieves.

Then why were you selling this name? You knew the season was ending and traffic would drop so you listed it for sale hoping someone wouldn't do their proper research.

Is that illegal? No
Is that immoral? Maybe
Should sellers be a little kinder to the people they do business with? Yes

 

[Biggie]

Biggedon - I wasn't sure what to do, so I made this thread. Adam posted a response saying it was OK to post in the sales thread assuming I had proof and it was not a personal attack. Had Adam told me I shouldn't post in the sales thread, I would not have done it. I never publicly called mxzsleds a liar, or a cheater or anything else, I simply provided some background on the name.



Then why were you selling this name? You knew the season was ending and traffic would drop so you listed it for sale hoping someone wouldn't do their proper research.

Is that illegal? No
Is that immoral? Maybe
Should sellers be a little kinder to the people they do business with? Yes

Hi

if you were not sure, then why not contact a mod or administration first?

sure adam said "if you have proof"! but you have no proof,that traffic will drop to "0", only speculation based on the fact that it is or was a TV show.


how would you feel if everyone went and posted background info on "fastautos", when you are trying to sell it?


Just because a season is ending for a tv show, does not mean that the show won't be broadcast as a rerun or put into syndication.

do you plan on doing background checks on every name posted in "traffic section"?

and if not, why did you choose this members thread to investigate?

if you want to be so moral and ethical, then try following the forum rules as they exist.

as others have stated, i have no problem with members asking questions when it's relating to the potential "PURCHASE" of a domain, but I object to those who make inquiries and have no intention of buying.